14 Replies Latest reply on Dec 15, 2016 11:05 AM by Ramon Dieguez

    Remedy on Demand(ROD) 9.x Upgrade experiences

    Don Savant

      We are a moderately customized, medium sized BMC SaaS subscriber looking to upgrade ARS/ITSM from 8.1 to 9.1 and are wondering about the experiences of similar subscribers who've already been through the process.  Specifically we're interested in learning about the length of the associated 'freeze' period and how to best manage it.  Any feedback is most appreciated.

        • 1. Re: Remedy on Demand(ROD) 9.x Upgrade experiences
          Jim Wilson

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          • 2. Re: Remedy on Demand(ROD) 9.x Upgrade experiences

            Hello Don,

            Our Organizational setup is fairly similar
            and we recently upgraded from 8.1 to 9.1. I would say this was the
            simplest and painless upgrade. We are using remedy for the past 10 years
            from version 6. The best part of this upgrade - it’s from cloud to cloud. So
            the impact and realignments were very little. There were no manual interventions
            required to move our complete foundation data from 8.1 to 9.1. During the
            validation period, you need to test really well and ensure that the customizations
            are not broken.

            We received a clear cut project planner from
            BMC and the details were well documented. They were able to meet the timelines
            at almost all phases. We had 45 days change period. During this window were
            allowed perform any user administration activities. However, we were not
            supposed to create any new SLA’s, SRM forms, customizations… Guess that should
            be manageable.

            Special mention: The 9.1 upgrade team was knowledgeable
            and they were quick to fix any issues we reported during validation. Before we
            went live with 9.1 they resolved all the major issues we reported.

            Overall I would recommend the 9.1 upgrade!

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            • 3. Re: Remedy on Demand(ROD) 9.x Upgrade experiences
              Karl-Anders Falk

              Thanks for sharing your experiences. We really want our customers to network and help each other to get best possible value from their OnDemand subscriptions.


              Best Regards

              Karl-Anders Falk

              BMC Remedy OnDemand Business Relationship Manager


              Arthur D'Souza

              • 4. Re: Remedy on Demand(ROD) 9.x Upgrade experiences
                Henri Wijnen

                Hi Don,


                We use Remdy on Demand now for serveral years and have been upgrade from Remedy 7.6.04 to Remedy V9.0 over de last months. It was a veru smooth processes with no hick-ups or strange surprises. it took around 12 weeks, where we were guide by BMC Profession Services (Michiel Heijmans ...thanks!!) to determine which customizations can be replaced by OOTB funtionality and the small issues which were found during UAT where fix rappidly by support of the great team of BMC in India. So overall perfect and smooth transition.


                Henri WIjnen

                DSM ITIL Process Manager

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                • 5. Re: Remedy on Demand(ROD) 9.x Upgrade experiences
                  Karl-Anders Falk


                  many thanks to you as well for collaborating and sharing experiences.

                  Best Regards


                  • 6. Re: Remedy on Demand(ROD) 9.x Upgrade experiences
                    Michiel Heijmans

                    Hi Henri,


                    It was a pleasure to work with you and the rest of the DSM team. This RoD upgrade was a smooth ride compared to previous upgrades. The RoD upgrade team has done an excellent job. Even the  BMC professional services team was impressed by the RoD upgrade team upgrade skills. They master the art of Remedy ITSM upgrades.


                    Important to mention is that DSM's RoD v9 upgrade process followed strict GxP process requirements. The upgraded v9 RoD system was classified as a validated system. 


                    Looking forward to continue the good and close collaboration with DSM and your team.



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                    • 7. Re: Remedy on Demand(ROD) 9.x Upgrade experiences
                      Matt Fitzgerald

                      Hi Michiel,


                      Thank you very much for your feedback. It is particularly good to hear that the upgrade followed and at all times complied with strict GXP requirements.

                      I’m sure that this feedback will be especially reassuring to BMC’s Pharma customers.


                      Kind Regards

                      Matt Fitzgerald

                      BMC Remedy OnDemand Business Relationship Manager

                      • 8. Re: Remedy on Demand(ROD) 9.x Upgrade experiences
                        Don Savant

                        Thanks for the feedback Sathya, its good to hear things went well for you.  We have two additional ROD environments and we requested that one be upgraded to 9.1 in advance of our official upgrade project but to date the BMC upgrade team has yet to deliver one that works.  Hopefully they will in the near future.

                        • 9. Re: Remedy on Demand(ROD) 9.x Upgrade experiences
                          Don Savant

                          Thanks for the feedback Henri, we too engaged BMC Professional Services when migrating from 7.6.4 On Premise to 8.1 On Demand and their assistance was invaluable.  Our challenges then, and now moving from 8.1 to 9.1, are more on the operational side.  Perhaps there's a difference between the Private and Public offerings as we are unable to utilize foreign resources being a government customer.

                          • 10. Re: Remedy on Demand(ROD) 9.x Upgrade experiences
                            Tom Moram

                            Hi Don, We are a similar sized business and migrated from 8.1 to 9.1, we have two separate instances and have so far upgraded one system and in the process of upgrading the other for the second time after having to pull the upgrade the first time around!!


                            I believe that for the most part the upgrade went well in most areas... However, I work in the Service Asset and Configuration Management team and therefore my focus is with Asset Console and Atrium CMDB. We had a large number of issues throughout the 9.1 upgrade. It seemed to affect all parts of Asset & CMDB. Some basic functionality problems, issues with customisations, issues with integrations, UDM configuration, reconciliation and data loads. There were many things that OOTB were working fine in V8 that seemed to just not work in V9! We also experienced consistency issues, having to test, re-test, fix and re-fix previously resolved issues as we moved through Dev>Pre-Prod>Prod phases.


                            We had approximately a 6 week change freeze which again only seemed to cause issues with Asset/CMDB due to the system automatically hard deleting Asset People Relationships - but BMC advising that nothing can be deleted.


                            We also had issues with the Delta Data Migration tool missing large amounts of asset data, and going live in our V9 production system with incomplete/corrupt asset data.


                            I'm interested to know if the customers who had a "painless" experience utilise the Asset and CMDB functionality within Remedy?


                            The upgrade team were very good and worked very hard to resolve most of the issues, but in terms of Asset, CMDB, Atrium etc. it just seemed that the system was against them at every turn! My feedback would be that if you don't use Asset Management/CMDB/Integrations etc. you'll probably be OK. If you do, take it nice and slow, test everything, test it again, test it again and hope it sticks when you cut over to Production

                            • 11. Re: Remedy on Demand(ROD) 9.x Upgrade experiences
                              Don Savant

                              Thanks very much for the feedback Tom, you’ve confirmed some of our worst fears about the upgrade process.  We use Asset & CMDB heavily and therefore would expect to encounter similar issues.  The statement, “..there were many things that OOTB were working fine in V8 that seemed to just not work in V9!” is troubling given that one of the benefits of an upgrade is supposed to be improved quality.  And the apparent contradiction of no deletes during the freeze despite OOB processes that perform hard deletes is also disconcerting.  But the DDM missing/corrupting data is simply unacceptable, has this since been rectified?  If so, how long did it take to repair?  Again, thanks for your honest feedback, hopefully BMC will address these issues promptly for the benefit of all customers. - Don

                              • 12. Re: Remedy on Demand(ROD) 9.x Upgrade experiences
                                Tom Moram

                                Hi Don, no problem at all.


                                The issues with DDM are as yet unconfirmed, but the upgrade team have put some additional checks in place as well as some remediation actions in case the issue occurs again. The bulk of the issue came from a number of AST forms not being copied across, so we had records in CMDB forms only meaning that assets were not visible through asset console, and did not turn up in searches from Incident/Change. Fortunately an excellent BMC resource managed to identify the missing records and re-import them which resolved a large portion of the issues relatively quickly, however, confidence had been lost, and we had to do an attribute level verification process to check V8 vs V9 asset attributes, identify the differences and then manually check these CIs to ensure they contained the correct (most recent) updates. This took almost a week!


                                In my opinion, I think that BMC need to fully re-vamp their DDM tool to make it more robust and to cater for Relationships better.


                                Another thing to check would be reconciliation, we had problems with this for quite a while. Manual (sandbox) updates/creation taking 5-10 mins to actually appear in the BMC.ASSET dataset. The upgrade team worked with CE on this and have now resolved it, so hopefully whatever was wrong will be applied to other customers systems during the upgrade.

                                • 13. Re: Remedy on Demand(ROD) 9.x Upgrade experiences
                                  Don Savant

                                  Good stuff, thanks for the heads up Tom!  We’ll definitely take a close look at AST visibility and reconciliation, we can’t afford a week of attribute level verification.  We’ve elected to defer our upgrade temporarily, the risks are too great when compared to other business initiatives currently underway.  Thanks again!

                                  • 14. Re: Remedy on Demand(ROD) 9.x Upgrade experiences
                                    Ramon Dieguez

                                    Hi  Tom,


                                    Firstly I would like to thank you for your open and candid feedback regarding the recent Remedy upgrade. We will take this and review it internally with our senior On Demand management team to see where we can improve the upgrade process.


                                    Whilst EDF suffered a challenging upgrade in certain areas, I just wanted to be clear this is an isolated experience. Even so, we will work hard to continue improving the upgrade process with your valuable feedback.


                                    Having worked with you on this project I share your views and was also happy to see you recognise the hard work and support from BMC. We have made our senior executives aware of the fantastic support the upgrade team provided and we will ensure they get recognition for this.