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So... any thoughts on this?
I personally have never come across Tideway before and therefor have no idea of what the capabilities of the product are. More interesting, how will the Tidayway product fit in to ADDM or will it remain two seperate products...
The general idea of this topic was just to get some discussion about it started.
Press release:
http://www.bmc.com/news/press-releases/2009/bmc-software-completes-acquisition-of-tideway.html
I have seen a couple of posts about Tideway - the most interesting one talked about BADDM V8 and Tideway as the same thing.
Interesting....
It as not clear whether this represented a merging of technolgies, or one (presumably Tideway) replacing the other altogether.
That sounds very interesting....
Pray to God that it will be a streamlined upgrade process and that it will not require a re-install.
Just found a webinar on the subject as well: BMC Atrium Discovery: Tideway Acquisition Update and Demonstration planned for the 4th of November.
i have run appliance and considered as one of
nicest software ever seen, looks very good for me, very easy implementation, very nice and fast gui, relatively small requirements, deployed as vmware appliance (already installed), ...
Something is funny about this. Reading on Tideway sites, all they talk about is
Data Center this, Data Center that....what is up with BladeLogic. I don't understand what they are doing...
but I agree, the Dasboad on Tideway looks good (((-:
Tideway is purely a discovery tool. It can be used to analyse the systems and relationships within a data centre. Bladelogic as more of a management role. The two tools complement each other well.
Rgds,
Paul
I´ve read some (read ALL) documentation available on Tideway site... I must say that I´m pretty impressed so far. At the same time I´m a bit confused and worried. I certainly hope that this will NOT be replacement of any ADDM functionality. I see benefits in Tideway where ADDM lacks today, but at the same time there are functionality in ADDM which I do NOT want to be removed. There are benefits with both products today, one doing some kind of discovery better than the other. Because of this I do not want to choose between the two.
Merging of the 2 would be the absolutely best scenario and I think most of you would agree ![]()
Tideway seems to have a more developed Discovery when it comes to applications (read UAD). But both products uses regular expressions for this so merging these technologies shouldn´t be that hard.
Other areas I´m a bit worried about are the expert Discoveries in ADDM, such as Websphere, Weblogic, SAP... where I feel ADDM does a really really good job. ADDM also holds support for OpenVMS discoveries which Tideway doesn´t seem to have...
Merging, merging, merging, merging!
Petrus,
The plan is to merge both products within the next months using the Tideway platform moving forward.
Tideway does not have a CMDB data model. Tideway maps it's data directly to class structure within the Atrium CMDB CDM. No issue.
Has anyone seen a comparison chart for the two products:
Once they merge them (which I hope is the plan as well) it would be great to see the VMware based solution continued. In fact, it would be really great if BMC would provide us with all of its mainline products in VMware versions for dev/test purposes.
Tideway's database does have a data model. Unless
over the past years as an independent company they had some secret IP sharing with BMC I gotta assume the Tideway data model is differ
ent from Atrium's. That said, how does Tideway map its data "directly to class structure within the Atrium CMDB CDM" ??? Is such a mapping provided out of the box? How does Tideway's discovered relationships map to Atrium relationships types? Here's the use case: If we use Tideway to develop a complex (consisting of thousands of objects and relationships) application dependency map of a particular application, can I just export that complete model into an Atrium data set for normaliztaion and reconciliation into the Atrium CMDB? What are the considerations, thinking and planning that would need to go into such an integration? If it would great if it's a push-button integration but I'd highly doubt it!
Pretty much all of BMC's products run on VMWare so all you have to do is create a VM and install.
As far as delivering product like ADDM 8.0 which is a Virtual Appliance I am not aware of any plans to do so anytime soon.
ADDM 8.0 (Tideway) uses a Berkley DB and it uses taxonomy...there is no CMDB data model within ADDM 8.0.
As already mentioned ADDM 8.0 provides a CMDB integration which uses TQL/XML mapping files which are part of a mapping set that use the CMDB API to pass CI's directly to the class structure in the CDM. And yes it is OOTB with ADDM 8.0. The OOTB mapping set may not be as robust as what you want to do...but it is extensible or you can wait for the improved integration that will be delivered in ADDM 8.1.