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Waiting Is...

Posted by scarl Nov 6, 2009

A serial Blog entry about installing Debian 5.03 in a Dell D620 to see if Evolution / MAPI works there.

 

I can not recall the last time I have done a plain Debian install. I do know that they did not have the graphical installer yet, so it was a fair amount of time ago.

 

Even though my primary Linux is Ubuntu (9.10 these days), which is Debian based, Ubuntu is not Debian. Ubuntu is not even, as near as I can see, a mix of custom packages layered on top. It is a complete repackaging, starting with Debian. Seems like a lot of work, but it is hard to argue with Ubuntu's success.

 

Success except that Ubuntu still does not have a version of Evolution that works against MS Exchange 2007. It is coming. Very very slowly. I read today that the critical packages I needed to take a stab at a working Evolution was already packaged over in Debian. This would be to bring the MAPI support from 0.28.0 to 0.28.1 like the rest of Evolution already is in Ubuntu 9.10. There is a bug to track getting MAPI up to speed in Ubuntu:

 

 

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution-mapi/+bug/472552

 

...but I think it would be fair to say that the rate in which the Ubuntu team has worked to get Evolution stable and working with Exchange has been lethargic at best, and at least in this they are no different from of the other majors, since no one has the 2.28.1 yet... Except Debian. And of course, Gnome.

 

 

http://packages.debian.org/sid/i386/evolution-mapi/download

http://git.gnome.org/cgit/evolution-mapi/

 

I do not know how this got missed, except that perhaps no one at any of the projects has MS Exchange servers and so they do not pay much attention to it. Just a guess though. It clearly lags behind the other features of Evolution. Another thought would be that most in the Linux community in general think more like the Fedora community in particular, and prefer open standards and protocols rather than closed, and supporting Exchange may feel like a betrayal of those standards?

 

I am *not* stating any of this as fact, just speculating why in the world the MAPI support so desperately lags in Linux, and Evolution. OS.X has had working MS Exchange support since August: Clearly no one in Linux land is feeling any heat of competition with Apple. I know Apple did not go the MAPI route with their support, but at least MS Exchange access works in OS.X, and actually works very well.

 

Knowing that the four fixes that should repair at least in part my broken Evolution are present in Debian, I dusted off the old Debian skills, and downloaded the 'new' 150 MB network starter CD, with graphical installer. Already this is light years ahead of the last time I installed Debian.

 

Debian Install

 

The new Debian graphical installer is nice, but it does not support my external monitor / keyboard / mouse from some reason. Not even as mirrored displays. That is really old school.

 

 

The first sticking point was that it did not have the drivers for my wireless card. I did not care, so I made it skip that and just used the wired interface, noting I'd have to fix the wireless later: it is only a 150 MB install image here. No way it has everything it needs out of the box, and I did not expect it too.

 

Next problem was my /home directory. I am installing this over the top of OpenSUSE 11.2 RC1 on my Dell D620 laptop. Gold comes out tomorrow, so if the Debian experiment flops, that will be my next install. The problem is that both Ubuntu 9.10 and OpenSUSE use Ext4, and Debian 5.03 150 MB installer disk only has Ext3. My home directory is formatted in Ext4, and Debian can't deal with it. I told it to ignore the partition, and now had a second thing to fix post install....

 

I picked the 'laptop' packages to add them to the basic desktop and core set, and turned it loose. The installer chugged along for about 30 minutes downloading and installing things. Finally it asked my if I wanted GRUB to understand the Windows 7 partition, and it was done. A quick reboot onto a fairly back-level 2.6.26 kernel (Ubuntu and OpenSUSE have 2.31), and I had a mirrored display and was able to log in to Gnome. The default Gnome desktop was clean, and the Debian default theme easy to look at if nothing earth shaking graphically. As an experiment, I pulled the CDROM, installed a battery, and the power manager instantly saw the extra battery. Looks like I had the laptop packages alright!

 

As Han Solo once said "Don't get cocky kid!"

 

Old Old School

 

Debian is an interesting animal. At any given time it has three versions: Stable, Testing, and "sid". I was looking at the current stable version, release 5, codename "Lenny". Lenny is really really out of date, once you get to looking. Gnome was at 2.22. That means 2.24, 2.26, and 2.28 have come out *since* Lenny. Lots of water under that bridge, including all the MAPI support in Evo. Ubuntu had revved three or four times since this level of Gnome. Also, there was no way to enable dual head support in anything I had installed: the monitor tools I was used to in OpenSUSE or Ubuntu were not installed.... of course, I had just over 900 packages installed, and Ubuntu and OpenSUSE default to twice that in their base installs easily. Another thing to hunt down...

 

To get to testing or "sid", you start with Lenny, and change the install repositories to enable allowing packages from further upstream. the Evolution MAPI 0.28.1 I want is *all* the way upstream, in sid.

 

sid is what Ubuntu is based off of, and it is quite stable over in Ubuntu, so my hope is that Debian is just very very very cautious, not that one of the reasons that Ubuntu is completely repackaged is because they had to rework *everything*. Even if they did, that would have fed back to sid, and so it should be fairly stable, if not perfect. I am not looking for perfect yet, just a working MAPI connection to Exchange.

 

I manually edited /etc/apt/sources.list and added sid, reloaded, and started to install Evolution MAPI. Synaptic can not deal with this at all, so I had to do it from the command line. su to root, and then apt-get install evolution-mapi

 

MAPI would not install, because Gnome was back-level, so that became 'apt-get install evolution-mapi gnome'. That broke another thing, so I added that new thing that needed explicit upgrade permission. And another thing. And another thing.

 

Oh. yeah. Now I remember why I had not done a Debian install in a while. It is coming back to me. I finally get enough things added that apt can figure out the rest, and installs 478 new packages out of sid, replacing over half of the packages from Lenny. Most of it is Gnome stuff. The general theory I have for this type of work is to only install the minimum I have to, to try and stay in the Stable tree as much as possible, but that theory is not looking good.... I guess at that point to get Xinerama going will take replacing xorg with the current version. Who knows what it will take to get the wireless going... But I stick to the theory. I want to see working Evolution before I get too wrapped around the axle about anything else.

 

Debian stops to ask me a few questions about restarting services and whatnot. Nothing new there: still curses based questions, even though I had done a graphical install. This many packages, with pauses to ask for things, takes a fair amount of time to get through... most of an hour in fact. Part of it is the size of the update, and part is the fact that the D620 laptop hard drive is well... a laptop hard drive. I while the time away by working on this post via Google Docs, and thinking about how to integrate Google Wave here.

 

Before I figure Google Wave out, the install finishes. I reboot, and X won't start. Nuts. From console login: 'apt-get install xorg'. 48 more packages. Much whining in the boot messages about needing to upgrade the kernel, but it boots, and goes into X. Opps: Forgot to install the MAPI package! 'apt-get install evolution-mapi'. 9 more packages.

 

 

While I am at it, I loaded up the firmware for the Intel wireless card via Synaptic It was easy, and the wireless now works... too well. Our Access point is outside the firewall, and the laptop *prefers* the wireless connection to the wired one. To get access to the internal network I have to disable the wireless and enable the wired, eth0 type connection. I see no easy tool for this, so I do it all from command line. Really starting to miss the spit and polish of Ubuntu or OpenSUSE for things like this.

 

Bingo

 

I can see my Inbox. I can use the actual server name in the account setup. The email addresses in the inbox are valid, reply-to-able addresses. The speed to load the Inbox is not great, but it is way faster than the last release which took forever to load the inbox, right before it crashed.

All of this waiting, just to get to a valid inbox. No GAL. No Calendar. Just a working if slow inbox. I should have been more specific when I said "Working". I want to be able to calendar, at the very least, and while I can use LDAP if need be for the address book, a more native GAL implementation would be nice.

 

And I am in a totally unsupportable place, with a hybrid of Lenny and sid. If you read through the Debian web pages about installing the Distro, they are quite upfront and even snarky about getting off into the woods if you are not a full fledged developer who can pull themselves back from the edge. You want stable Debian, you stay years back of the leading edge. Or you use a Debian based Distro like Ubuntu, although that last bit of advice is not on the Debian web site.

 

Back to waiting.. and got to get OpenOffice updated on Debian. OO 2.4 will not cut it when 3.1 is right there, just 48 more sid packages away... And OpenSUSE 11.2 Gold should be out today.

 

PS: Extra geek points for knowing where the title of today's post comes from.

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Happy OS Holidays

Posted by scarl Oct 27, 2009

We are at the beginning of an embarrassment of riches in the OS space. In case you have been living under a rock, the most recent OS release season was kicked off by Microsoft with their GA release of Windows 7 the other day. There was some minor fuss in the trades about it. Next to the plate will be Ubuntu with 9.10 on October 29th, then OpenSUSE on November 12th with 11.2, and then Fedora on November 17th with Fedora 12. This not to ignore the recent OS.X 10.6 (now 10.6.1) which came out at the end of August. Pretty sure August is in a different season, but maybe not "Computer Seasons".

 

I am not sure what is more interesting: The actual operating systems or the emotion and hyperbole around them.

 

Take Windows 7 for example: it is a solid release. It fixes most of what went wrong with Vista, most especially the *perception* of Vista. I used Vista from its first release, and it got gradually better with every patch and every service pack. It followed in XP's footprints in fact: XP was not all that great before Service Pack 1 either, and really only stable and semi-secure after SP2, though most appear to have forgotten that. XP in its current form is fairly fast, fairly stable, and will be the nemesis of Windows 7 for some time, as most will see no reason to leave XP unless they are buying a new computer with Win7 already installed. As new hardware comes out that does not have WinXP drivers available for it, there will be a slow gentle nudge over to Win7. By the time Win8 arrives, Win7 will have the largest market share of the the Windows OS's.

 

Windows 7 is not a bad OS, but as Jack Wallen over at Tech Republic points out, it is hardly anything new, with the possible exception that we won't have to wait for the first service pack to have a stable OS. Not being a bad OS will probably be enough to have Win7 do well. There will be some who figure that if they have to change OS's, why not go whole hog? Some will go Mac/OS.X. Others will revisit Linux, especially with IBM and Ubuntu working jointly on a Linux desktop intended to replace Win7.

 

Netbooks are currently a MS stronghold. MS was going to restrict Win7's special Netbook edition.. MS appeared to realize that might have opened up the playing field for Linux, in particular Ubuntu's NetBook Remix, Moblin, or the Moblin/Ubuntu NetBook remix. This set of restrictions was dropped, but the Win7 edition for Netbooks is still pretty stripped down: For example, no Aero.

 

No Aero: Is that so bad? No. Aero is to Win7 what Compiz is to Linux: Eye candy. The OS works well without it. But the dropping of Aero is somewhat artificial: I have Ubuntu 9.10 running on my Dell Mini 9 Netbook (a two year old design) *with full Compiz*. No problems. It is not that the hardware, even the low end NetBook hardware, can't deal with compositing the desktop.

 

Another thing about Win7 without Aero though: It looks a lot like XP. That could be good or bad, depending on your point of view.

 

Innovate

One word often tossed about in the trades when they are dissing one particular OS or another is that it does not "innovate". I have heard this about every OS at one time or another. Without exception, I have not seen that term defined in any meaningful way. Innovation is a slippery term, and in the eye of the beholder of course. One great example was the recent OS.X release: Was that innovation? It looked almost exactly the same as the 10.5 release before it. Apple had taken all their time and money and put it under the covers, improving and polishing and securing the plumbing. Then, in a nod to the fact that no one was going to perceive the work, they dropped the price of the upgrade, even though, from a changed lines of code, and therefore a cost to develop point of view, this was every bit as big an upgrade as any other.

 

Is that innovation? Innovative strategy? Shrewd timing? I have no idea. I fully support it though. I love 10.6. It is fast. It is stable. it does what I want, and does not get in the way.

 

By any sense I can think of, every OS coming out this fall is evolutionary. None of them are innovative exactly, but all of them are better.

 

The Ubuntu development model pretty much ensures it will always be more of an evolver: How much innovation can one inject with a major release every six months?

 

Ubuntu 9.10

Two days before Halloween we'll get the next GA version of Ubuntu: 9.10. I have been testing 9.10 since Alpha 3 or so, and it will be another solid release. Faster boots, more unified look and feel, easy install and upgrade, etc. All the hallmarks of Ubuntu.

 

With the built in OpenOffice, or the option of IBM's Lotus Symphony, the Ubuntu desktop can function in almost every way as a full replacement for Windows. If you are fully "Web 2.0" or "Cloud based" in your app stack, then it is a 100% replacement. Pretty much any modern Linux is.

 

I have the 9.10 RC1 loaded up on the D620, and it deals very well with the dual head configuration, as long as I remember to turn off Compiz first. It does not deal well with all the screen real estate of two monitors and the composite video at the same time: The Intel GMA 945 just does not have the juice for that. One or the other. Not both. The failure is disheartening too: The screen goes black, and cntrl-alt-backspace does nothing. Hard reboot to get back the screen.

 

The changes to X that made it far more able to dynamically deal with changes in graphic configurations were a good thing, but taking out the ability to bomb out of X via cntrl-alt-backspace was very much *not* innovation.

 

Evolution 2.28.1

Ubuntu will ship with 2.28.1 as its final version of Evolution. I had been testing Exchange 2007 functionality via MAPI all along, but RC1 was the first move from 2.28.0 to 2.28.1 I noted. The MAPI provider is (as of today anyway) still 2.28.0. The account sets up, authenticates (even using the real server name rather than the IP address like the version of Evo-MAPI that shipped with 9.04. Click on a message in the MAPI Inbox, and Evolution crashes.

 

The IMAP access appears to have been sped up a little bit though, so that is something. Since the rest of Evo is at 2.28.1, hopefully MAPI will go there soon. Looking at the GIT log for MAPI, there are at least three checkins that look like they are must-haves that are targeted at the 2.28.1 version.

 

OpenSUSE 11.2

I have been testing OpenSUSE 11.2 as well. Not quite as often as Ubuntu, to be honest, but my Dell D620 triple boots between Windows 7, OpenSUSE 11.2, and Ubuntu 9.10. I had hoped to see some evidence that Evolution MAPI (in it 2.28.1 form) would be appearing sometime soon in OpenSUSE, but it is not there by default as of RC1. Some quick poking about revealed no special repository that needed to be enabled either.

I took the opportunity of having OpenSUSE 11.2 installed to look more closely at KDE 4.3.1, since OpenSUSE is supposed to be the very best place to experience KDE.

 

I have had nothing but trouble from Xinerama and KDE under OpenSUSE. It just does not want to configure correctly my D620's 1440x900 internal LCD and the Dell 1901FP 1280x1024 external panel. I do not know what its problem is, but I am pretty sure it is a KDE thing, since when I load up Gnome it had no issues at all with Xinerama, same as Ubuntu. I have not tried Kubuntu to see what that would do.

 

That little problem, plus the no-show so far of MAPI, plus an annoying keyboard bounce (only there is OpenSUSE / KDE), have kept me from running what is otherwise a pretty good desktop (though I am typing this on it now, using the lovely Bilbo Blogger). I can see why people love OpenSUSE enough to make it their primary desktop OS, but it is missing a few things I need, want, and actually care about such that Ubuntu is where I always fall back to.

 

Linux in General

Looking across the sea of Linux releases that are being actively maintained, I perceive four major subgroups.

 

One is the cutting edge, leader type. I mostly review that type here. The folks that are actively releasing once or twice a year (OpenSUSE is going to an every 8 month release cycle). Right now those releases are all hovering around kernel 2.6.31, OpenOffice 3.1, Firefox 3.5, Gnome 2.28, and KDE 4.3. The near alignment of the package releases makes it difficult in some ways to really say that one Distro is really all the different from another. They are all hewn from the same materials... For all that common fuel, there are big differences between the big three, but they have to be experienced to be fully understood: YAST versus Synaptic versus YUM being one example.

 

Another group is the supported versions: The RedHats and SUSE's and Mandrake's of the world. Perhaps Ubuntu LTS. These releases stay behind current, do more internal testing, release only once every two or three years. These are the solid, reliable, day in day out server types. The Linux desktops in the group all suffer, in my mind, because they do not have the latest X11 and the latest kernel so that they lag in new hardware support.

 

Then there are all the special use Linuxii: the Real Time, or the embedded Linux. The WebOS and Android Cell phones. The system recovery and password reset disks. Clonezilla. This category, in sum, may actually represent the largest install base, if for no other reason than no one out there actually knows they have Linux in them. To them, its a DVR, not a OS, etc. Android 2.0 just came out, so clearly there are lots of holiday goodies here.

 

Then there are all the others. There may be more distinctions than I make, but to me they are an amber waving sea of single use / single developer systems. The "I did not like their Icons, so I started a new Distro" types.

 

And Finally ...

I recently noted in my personal blog that I was not enjoying Blackberry OS 4.7 on a BB Storm nearly as much as I would have hoped. I fixed that today by loading up OS 5.0. What a difference! it is not stable yet, but it is faster, it uses the keyboard better, and it generally makes the Storm a much more livable place to be. OS's may not be something everyone get excited about, even when we are in the middle of such a tidal wave of updates, but having a usable OS sure makes a person a lot less miserable.

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I mentioned in my Enterprise Desktops: Linux, OS.X, and Win7 post that I never expected to see OS.X pass Linux in the race to MS Exchange compatibility.

 

OS.X 10.6, codenamed "Snow Leopard" got there first.

 

As a Linux maven, this has been a hard loss to accept, but as I also have a Mac, it has been an easy loss to accept... Yes: I am feeling very split-brain about it all.

 

Just to be sure, I loaded up Ubuntu 9.10 Alpha 4, and updated to the very bleeding edge, to see if Gnome 2.28 / Evo 2.28 and its built in MAPI support was going to catch up, or even be close. But it has not. It is not even close yet. When I try to enter the server name or IP address in the setup dialog, it just crashes, and it does not even ask if I want to report the problem. It's Alpha, so I can not really criticize it. I was just hoping. I was just looking for a glimmer of MS Exchange 2007 interoperability light.

 

To be even more sure I loaded up SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop 11 (SLED 11) and applied all the maintenance. I can enter the MS Exchange server by name rather than address, but the GAL (Global Address List) does not work, and calendaring hangs. I am told some have working calendars, so this does appear to be variable, but it does not work on my calendar, as built up over the years, so I assume that it will not work for others as well.

 

I also built a SLED 11 appliance with SUSE Studio (very cool) and had the same results.

 

Last try: I downloaded OpenSUSE 11.2 Milestone 6 and installed it, but that does not have MAPI in it at all yet.

 

OpenSUSE 11.2 and the GA of Ubuntu 9.10 are still months away, and I have no idea if full MAPI is going to make it even then. The forums I watch about the subject have been very quiet about MAPI status. The Wiki has:

 

 

But the last updates there are severely out of date. I scoured the forums, and Googled with fervent hope, but at the end of the day, OS.X was there with fully functional MS Exchange support, and Linux is not yet.

 

Nope. This round goes to OS.X. That is not to say that the support for Exchange in OS.X is perfect yet. I found a bug with scheduling meetings this morning. I have not seen any public discussion of this problem yet either, but then 10.6 is brand new, so there may not have been time. It appears to be an issue with the Global Address List (GAL) looking up the name.

 

I am also having another problem, but this appears to be a MS bug. The 'affinity server' is, after 3 days of steady use, suddenly rejecting my password. It is my password though, and I can not seem to convince the affinity server that it is OK. Whatever this little issue is, it locks out my Mac from email, but Linux (using IMAP) and Win7 (using whatever RPC's and MAPI bits Outlook 2007 uses) are both still able to access the Inbox.

 

There is an easy "work around" though: Look them up in the address book, and then drag and drop them on the appointment. In retrospect this is probably what Apple thought people would do anyway, rather than trying to do direct adds in the meeting itself. Its kind of funny: the meeting invite is sent the second that the person is dropped onto the meeting, rather than when the edit of the meeting is finished. But it works, and very well.

 

All of this does not even count the fact that MS will release Outlook for the Mac too, so that there will be two ways to access the Exchange server on a Mac. Outlook does not arrive till the end of 2010 though, so the built in MS Exchange 2007 support in OS.X will have plenty of time to mature and have a great deal of uptake.

 

The reason that this all works is probably that Apple did not take the MAPI/RPC route with 10.6. They are using Web based API's. I traced out a conversation with MS Exchange just to verify this was true. In this regard it seems like that the MS Exchange support in 10.6 is a bit like the Exchange Connector support used to be in Evolution... except that was WebDAV based, and with MS Exchange 2007 WebDAV is dropped in favor of these new API's.

 

This is also why 10.6 only supports MS Exchange 2007 and not 2003 and earlier. When MAPI / RPC support is finally fully working in Linux / Evolution it will have that over 10.6: MAPI / RPC means that Evolution will be able to talk to any version of MS Exchange all the way back to 5.5 more than likely. But then Outlook will arrive in the Macstack at the end of 2010, and probably negate that advantage, unless MS releases a Web API only version of Outlook. They might... never know.

 

The Mac I am using for all this is a 3.5 year old unit, and 10.6 has also had the side effect of making the unit feel like it has had a new processor installed. The system has a 2.1 Ghz Core processor (not Core 2) and 2Gb of RAM, and while it has never felt slow, it now "feels" every bit as fast as my Macbook with 4GB or RAM and 2.4 Ghz Core 2 processors. I used the word "Feels" there very intentionally, since I have not done actual objective measurements. Still, Safari seems to snap open, and Filezilla seems to transfer things with great speed, etc. The mail.app is quick, and the interface clean. The emails are sent quickly.

 

Does all of this mean the Mac is now "Enterprise ready"?

 

I have read this question over and over in the trades, along with endless (and endlessly vapid, IMHO) 10.6 / Win7 "Shootouts" and "Death Matches" and other similar cruft.

 

The answer is of course "Yes". Unless it is "No" in your shop.

 

MS Exchange is at something like 50% market share in the email server space, so having this support was critical *if* you are in a place that uses MS Exchange. If you were in a place that uses some other email server, or maybe have it SaaS'ed out to Google Apps or something, then you already were ready to use a Mac in the Enterprise. Whether or not you do is probably more about the size of your organization, the enlightenment of your IT department, and so forth. I was talking to one person recently whose IT department had a very cool hardware standard for their laptops: They gave folks a budget and they bought whatever they wanted to schelp around. If they bought a Windows based unit, it had to be locked down with a corporate software stack, but OS.X or Linux were not nearly as restricted.

 

Right after I was told about this, I got curious what I could buy for their stated budget. I have done this a couple times in the past, but I wanted to be sure the numbers had not changed much. According to a couple of vendors online configurators, that I could get a Mac for about the same price when configured the same way. And I got the Macbook unibody to boot. To be sure, I could not buy a 500 dollar Mac laptop or anything: I was comparing 13.3 inch screened, 1033 Mhz buss'ed, fast, large disked, corporate units only. Combine this with what, at least for me, has been a high level of reliability / durability / schelp-ability, and I can see why some would want to bring their Macbooks into their office settings, rather than their normal habitats like graphics studios and print shops and Hollywood offices and other parts of the creative world.

 

In the very strict confines of an MS-infrastructure-only shop, Mac's were historically harder to use: Same as Linux. Also like Linux, Macs have the same coping mechanisms now. Examples:

 

  • Office Apps:
    • OpenOffice  (Have had NeoOffice for years): I just loaded up 3.1.1, and it has had no problems with an MS formatted documents
    • iWork:
      • Pages opens MS formatted stuff as well, and usually with high fidelity.
      • Ditto Keynote for PowerPoint.
      • Numbers: I have had slightly less luck with Numbers. The problem is, as always, macros, although it also does not like outlined and sorted spreadsheets. Numbers is the new kid on the iWork block, and it is a great spreadsheet on its own: it is just not fully MS compatible. Yet.
  • Browsers:
    • Firefox
    • Opera
    • Chrome
    • Seamonkey
      • I like the Composer HTML editor. NVU stopped at 1.0 and its child Kompozer often goes stale (although I see some movement over in Komposer, and I am using both Composer and Komposer on this post on 10.6, to see what is what. Komposer is buggy and feature-full, and Composer is solid and feature-few. Sigh.)
    • And of course, Safari 4.

 

... and so forth: OS.X has benefited greatly from the Open Source world, to be sure.

 

And Of Course, with Web 2.0+ All This Matters Less Anyway

 

As the screams around the Internet reverberate every time Gmail has a multi-minute outage, it is clear that a huge part of the world now uses online infrastructure rather than dedicated, installed in the computer or personal datacenter based infrastructure. Out there in Cloudland, you need a computer to access the cloud, and it matters not if it is a Mac, Linux (or some varient / imbedded version of it), BSD, Solaris, AIX, HP-UX, or something else. All that matters is if you have a good standards compliant browser available for your platform. That was the idea behind the Netbook, and my Dell Mini-9 came with a 2GB SSD hard drive: Enough to run Ubuntu and a browser, and it works extremely well.

 

The more standard (as in Open Standard) the less the client platform matters. The trends are that the people using one platform will be able to communicate with those of all the other platforms, and never know if they are talking to someone like them or not like them, computer-choice-wise.

 

That is good for Linux.

 

Or, looked at another way: I can tweet from anywhere. And anything. Change "tweet" to be whatever you need it to be.

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A quick look at Fedora 11

Posted by scarl Jun 25, 2009

In last weeks post I mentioned Fedora 11. Here is a slightly deeper dive.

 

The reason I was personally looking at Fedora 11 is that I wanted to see what the very latest MAPI setup in Linux looked like. Fedora is not only the most recent release of the major distros: Fedora also prides itself on being the most bleeding edge of the Distros. Fedora makes no pretense about being an enterprise desktop, or even useful as a daily use platform. Fedora is about being out on the edge and testing the latest and greatest... unless you are in Rawhide (Fedora's development channel) then one is supposed to be the most leading, ragged edge of Linux when using Fedora. Lean forward a bit (into Rawhide) and you can see them writing the code that is flowing into your Linux computers veins.

 

In theory then, since Fedora just released, and since it is so edgy, if there is new Gnome / Evolution / MAPI stuff integrated, it should be here.

 

Not so much.

 

F11, Evolution, and MAPI

 

First the packages:

 

[steve@f11-steve ~]$ rpm -qa | grep -i evolution
evolution-2.26.2-1.fc11.i586
..
evolution-mapi-0.26.1-1.fc11.i586

 

My Ubuntu 9.04 daily driver looks like this:

 

steve@bock:~$ dpkg -l | grep -i mapi
ii  evolution-mapi     0.26.0.1-0ubuntu2     Evolution extension for MS Exchange 2007 ser
..
ii  libmapi0               1:0.8-2ubuntu1          Client library for the MAPI protocol
ii  libmapiadmin0     1:0.8-2ubuntu1          Administration client library for the MAPI (
..

 

Evolution is at 2.26.0 as well.

 

Point releases can mean a great deal sometimes, but in this case, I can see no difference between the MAPI functionality of F11's 2.26.2 (MAPI is at 2.26.1...) and Ubuntu's 2.26.0. Both need to have the server IP address rather than the name just to hook up to the Exchange server, and load the Inbox. Neither can reply to email. Fedora can't even send email if you type in a valid address in fact. No calendar. No address book (GAL).

 

I do not know what the last .2 that Fedora put into the Evolution / MAPI packages is. It does not make MAPI viable yet though.

 

Fedora is Not Meant to be an Enterprise Desktop

 

I think I should stop here and reiterate that Fedora in not an enterprise desktop. Fedora makes no claims that it is, and RedHat, the corporate sponsor of Fedora, will tell you that they take the technology developed and tested in Fedora and roll it into their RedHat line of products when and if it is supportable. No one would claim Linux MAPI support is ready for primetime I think. If you want a simple thing like Flash or MP3 playback, you have to modify the Distro. It is easy to do, and resources like the Unofficial Fedora FAQ take you through it. It is not made more stable and more supportable that way though.

 

I mention this here because even though I kinow better, I have a tendency to think of the big three Linux Distros as Ubuntu (and its kin like Mint), OpenSUSE, and Fedora. I might even be forgiven that because those are in fact the top three over at Distrowatch as I type this. The truth is that of those three, only Ubuntu can be considered for Enterprise use, since you can buy support for it from Canonical.

 

OpenSUSE works well enough, and integrates with enough management tools that I think one could make a case that it could be an Enterprise desktop, though Novell will most likely tell you that is really their supported Novell Linux SLED.

 

I was looking at Fedora for pretty much the exact reason it exists: I wonted to do a technology evaluation of MAPI. Since I was there though, how about the rest of it? Anything interesting going on in Fedora 11?

 

Fedora 11

 

I downloaded the LiveCD from one of the install mirrors: I like to be sure that the OS looks like it will work on the system before I install it. That means that the installer is not exactly the same as the one that is used in the older style boot-and-install style disks. It is a simple process to get started once the LiveCD is booted: Just clcik the install icon. Then the fight starts.

 

I suppose if I had let it just take over the boot disk, and lay it out however it wanted it might have gone better, but this system also has Vista Service Pack 2 on it, and I needed it to dual boot. The back half of the disk is set aside for Linux, and that should be all it needs. It took three installs before I had one that would stay installed. It kept forgetting the disk layouts. It would boot once, but if I installed new kernel or something, it would not reboot, and a quick look at the disk showed that it appeared that the disk partitions were not as I had set them. They were not gone either. Vista was never affected. But the systems was not bootable.

 

All of it appears to revolve around the fact that the LiveCD uses Ext4 as the default file system for '/'... but Linux can not yet boot an ext4 file system, so there had to be a special 200 MB '/boot' set up as Ext3. This meant that my standard dual boot config did not work. I could not do a Windows | / | swap | /home layout. Having more than four partitions mean extended partition or LVM. I tried extended but that appeared to fail, so I finally ended up in an LVM config:

 

[steve@f11-steve ~]$ df
Filesystem           1K-blocks      Used Available Use% Mounted on
/dev/mapper/vg_fed11steve-lv_root
                      10077504   3655204   6320024  37% /
/dev/sda2               198337     21964    166133  12% /boot
/dev/mapper/vg_fed11steve-LogVol02
                      81787616    407736  77225308   1% /home

 

/dev/sda1 is Vista still..

 

Once I was able to stay up past a simple reboot, I updated everything with "sudo yum update" (after I used "visudo" to add myself to the '/etc/sudoers' file of course).

 

The Scenery

 

Once up and logged in, the view is that of a clean, simple Gnome 2.26 desktop. No messing around and adding the Mint or SUSE modes that make Gnome look more WIndows-y. on this Dell 745 with its ATI  (lspci says: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV516 [Radeon X1300/X1550 Series]) desktop effects were not enabled by default. When enabled via System / Preferences / Appearance, it was a pretty reduced set of effects, and none of the ones I care about. Wobbly Windows: Meh.

 

I used Yum to install Compiz-control-center so I could get control over what effects were on. I wanted Expo and Windows Preview. I Also loaded up something called OpenGL Desktop. When I try to use the later I get a nasty error about not being able to save my preferences, so while Compiz is up, it is not doing what I want it to:

 

Screenshot.png

 

It has been a while since I had loaded up Thunderbird. Since Evolution was no more useful than what I had on Ubuntu already, I decided to see how Thunderbird had changed. F11 ships:

 

[steve@f11-steve ~]$ rpm -qa | grep -i thunderbird
thunderbird-lightning-1.0-0.3.20090302hg.fc11.i586
thunderbird-3.0-2.3.beta2.fc11.i586

 

I added Lightening to get a calendar going. I was sort of sorry, as it would not let me dismiss any alarms for meetings. For fun, I installed the same on Ubuntu, and it worked fine over there, so I assume it was because F11 was shipping the Beta, and this was a bug that had not been dealt with yet. One of what was turning out to be the many bugs not dealt with yet.

 

I used to live in Fedora. I loved it because it taught me so very much about Linux. Great forums and general information on the Internet and by being totally open source, everything is there to see. I must be getting old, because these days, after using Ubuntu and Mint, Fedora's rawness is something I have to remind myself is a more or less intentional act.

 

Interesting Fedora 11 Happenings

 

There are two Fedora efforts under way that have my interest. One is that there is going to be a Fedora 11 spin against the mainframe. Here was the recent announcement about this on the Linux-390 list:

 

Hello,

The Fedora s390x team is pleased to announce a first preview of Fedora
11 for s390x
in form of a prebuilt hercules image and as a tarball which can be
unpacked on
a free DASD of your z9 or z10.
We currently have ~11600 binary packages of Fedora 11/s390x and are
working on
getting real boot images.

Hercules images with instructions can be downloaded from
http://secondary.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/spins/S390/

Individual packages are available at
  https://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/mirrorlist?repo=rawhide&arch=s390x

More info will be added in the next few days at
  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Architectures/s390x

If you're interested, please join our mailing list at
  https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/fedora-s390x
or our IRC channel #fedora-s390x on freenode.net


Regards

     Karsten Hopp, s390x secondary arch maintainer<fedora-s390x@lists.fedoraproject.org>

 

As a mainframer (if not a currently active one) I thought that was very very cool. The other thing I found interesting was that, as an owner of OLPC's XO-1 there is now a Fedora 11 install for it:

 

http://dev.laptop.org/~cjb/rawhide-xo/

 

My XO-1 is in a practically unusable state at the moment from all my experimenting with it, so this looks like a way to get it back into a functional state. Not only that, but to move to a Gnome desktop from Sugar. I get why Sugar exists, and for kids that have never used a computer before I think it is brilliant. It drives me nuts. I sense Fedora 11 in my XO-1's future....

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<I’m back! Had to go move an R&D data center from one place to another. Took a while...>

 

Read through any of my recent posts about Linux and MAPI and a picture should develop of hope that in the very near future, even in a shop that runs Microsoft infrastructure like MS Exchange that there will soon be new choices.

 

This does not even address the idea that one can feasibly use Google Mail and Calendar for everything that MS Exchange does now: I have a friend who in setting up a new shop went that way rather than choosing to build their own email infrastructure or go with a more traditional outsourced email solution like hosted Lotus Notes or MS Exchange.

 

It is also not really my way to criticize companies or products here. I do not think using a forum like this is appropriate for that. That and I think constructive comments are more useful. I have stated over the years my reasons for preferring Linux, and if you go far enough back in my posts I wrote a series that is the true core of it: Heterogeneity. In summary, a computer ecosystem, like desktop computers, is more vulnerable to attack when it is homogenous, and I saw that demonstrated during the Code Red and Nimda virus outbreaks when only MS Windows computers were affected, but everything else was working fine... and in fact I was using Linux to build software disks full of stuff for cleaning off the virus’s on the MS Windows computers.

 

This is not to say that Linux or OS.X can not get a computer worm or virus. Anything created by people can be hacked by people. Cross-platform attacks are an order of magnitude harder to create though. Shoot: These days most malware targets particular releases of MS Windows, such that Windows XP might be affected, but that same thing attacking Windows 2000 or NT fails.

 

Barriers Dropping

 

The big barrier to entry for using either OS.X or Linux as an Enterprise desktop has always been MS Exchange and its closed / undocumented protocols. As I have written here, the EU has changed that by forcing Microsoft (among other things) to document how MS Exchange “talks” to Outlook via MAPI and something like 85 other Remote Procedure Calls (RPC’s). When I say MAPI hereafter, I am including all the requisite interactions between server and client, even though it is not technically accurate to just call it MAPI.

 

This is of course different than using POP or IMAP protocols. MS Exchange supports them, but these protocols are for email only. Contacts, Tasks, and Calendars are “safely” locked away on the MS Exchange server where only those that speak MAPI and the related RPC’s can have full access.

 

Rather than having to slowly read wire traces and figure out how it all works (The way Samba was created: It can be done) there is documentation about how to interact with MS Exchange for the first time. I have written here about work under way in Linux to be able to take advantage of those protocols. Now it has been revealed at the World Wide Apple Developer Conference that OS.X 10.6, shipping in September of 2009 will also have MS Exchange compatibility. Around that same time, Windows 7 will go GA.

 

Windows Vista Service Pack 3

 

I have tested Windows 7 quite a bit: In my role as a senior technologist, I can not really have a favorite platform: One of the secret sauces of BMC is that we support a wide range of platforms. Opps... I probably should not have let that slip.

 

As a technologist, I also have and use Vista and XP and so forth. I have to say that I do not understand the positive buzz for Windows 7 relative to Vista. I also do not understand why Vista was treated so poorly. All of it seems to lose sight of history. Windows XP was a suboptimal place to be until Service Pack 2 came out. Ditto Windows 2000 and Windows NT and Windows 98. Vista was no better and no worse out of the gate than those. It had problems, but my Vista Service Pack 2 install is now pretty stable, and does not have the speed problems that Vista and Vista SP1 had. Throw another three years of development on top of Vista, and you arrive at Vista Service Pack Three, A.K.A. Windows 7. We have been here before. Windows 98 Second Edition anyone?

 

Here is another thing I do not understand: I read recently one pundit say that Windows 7 and OS.X were now just two flavors of the same user interface. Huh? I use OS.X all the time. I’m writing this post with my Macbook. I do not see the resemblance. By that logic all dogs and cats and horses and cows are just various looks on the exact same animal.

 

Just because OS.X and Win7 both have compositing video interfaces, they are hardly the same, any more than Compiz on Linux makes it the same thing as Windows or OS.X. Sure, you can theme up Linux or Windows to make them look a lot like OS.X, but they are not the same. OS.X and Linux are more the same, given OS.X’s BSD roots, but there are still enough differences that no theme will cover up.

 

Nor is it hard to jump back and forth between Linux, OS.X, and MS Windows. When you are looking at a composited GUI, and using a keyboard and mouse to interact, there are bound to be similarities in the usage paradigm. There is always some adapting: I have to get used to my older Macbook Pro not having all the trackpad gestures that my Macbook has for example.

 

Therein lies the point of confusion I believe. The way we humans interact with computers follows a fairly simple usage paradigm. Till we have voice control or mind / computer interfaces, all computer desktops follow from the current technology. Keyboards, pointing devices, and displays. Regardless of platform, people want to write code in languages they know and love: Perl, Java, C+, Python, and so forth. All of this leads by necessity to there be some similarity in how one interacts with a computer platform, no matter which one it is.

 

Windows 7 is not a bad place to spend time. It runs OpenOffice, Firefox and Chrome well. The new super-command-prompt A.K.A Windows Power Shell is more in line with what xterm/konsole/gnome terminal have been for years. Would have been nice to just have bash....

 

Win7 with Aero is nice to look at. Some of the compositing eye candy now does useful things in addition to just being chrome. Its hardware requirements are in reach of most current gear, although like Vista before it forget running it on something more than about three or four years old. Not gonna work well. It is possible Win7 is getting good press in part because the hardware of three additional years finally caught up to Aero and Vista. That and the UAC prompt has been tamed a bit.

 

Win7 without Aero (in the case of something like a low end video card or a virtual machine) is pretty much like XP but with all the menus jumbled about in some way that might make sense to someone someplace but I just use the search bar to find things anymore. The hardware activation stuff is a major pain: Change the video RAM: reactivate the Win7 guest.

 

Key for me after Nimda and Code Red is that after years of work (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2002/01/17/BU102125.DTL), Win 7 is less vulnerable to black hat attack than any of the predecessor versions of MS Windows.

 

OS.X 10.6

 

The choice of what makes a new release versus what makes a new point release is often very arbitrary. OS.X 10.6 and Windows 7 have a great deal in common on that point. The new OS.X, according to everything we have read, is going to be mostly focused on internal differences. Full 64 bit exploitation. New dispatcher called “Grand Central” that will allow OS.X to work better on multi-core systems (and one would think, something that the server version will need more than the desktop edition). Big focus on security loopholes. Not much new in the user interface.

 

Like Win7 could be thought of as Vista SP3, OS.X 10.6 could be considered more of a point release of 10.5. One OS.X pundit thought that was in fact the entire point of the new releases code name: Snow Leopard follows Leopard. The way that the 10.6 release is priced also seems to echo that: 29 USD rather than 129 USD.

 

Except for the part about MS Exchange. The new 10.6 version will run as a native client of MS Exchange. Email, calendaring, etc from OS.X with no third party software. If that works, then that is huge. That means my main office desktop is going to be OS.X or Linux. No more Windows virtual machines to get to my Calendar. No more webmail calendar interface that is intentionally low function to try an get people to use IE. OS.X as a native MS Exchange client is enough for me to call it a new release. It is enough that I will buy it day one. The fact that it will make my existing hardware feel like it is running faster will be a bonus.

 

Linux

 

As I write about here in “Adventures” quite a bit, MS Exchange client function is also coming to Linux. Very very slowly. What I never expected to see was OS.X pass Linux standing still in something like this: Linux has always been the OS platform that has worked the hardest to get along with everyone else. On Linux I can load up HFS drivers so I can read and write to non-journalized Mac disks. I can load up Macutils so I can format and repair Mac disks. I can load up Samba and NTFS and get along with MS Windows disks and Active Directory. Linux is always the kid trying hard to please everyone. Yet, as I write this, the MAPI functionality I have in Linux right now is more or less the same as what I had 6 months ago.  It is there, but it is not usable. I am trying to load up Fedora 11 to see if that will change anything: Ubuntu 9.04, Mint 7, and OpenSUSE 11.1 all work at more or less the same level as far as MS Exchange access is concerned. I can read email. I can send email as long as I type in the email address. I can not reply to email because all the email addresses in the RFC822 headers are munged. No server-side group calendaring. No server side contacts. Yet.

 

I use the word “try” about Fedora there because unlike OpenSUSE or Ubuntu on the exact same system, Fedora is not wanting to install at all. It does not like the disk format. ‘/boot’ has to be ext3 but ‘/’ has to be ext4. It really really wants to install everything in logical volumes, not hard partitions. I will get it installed, sooner or later, but it sure feels like a step back in time. Fedora prides itself as being the most bleeding edge Distro going, and that is why I hope the MAPI functionality is better than what I have seen before in Ubuntu or OpenSUSE, but it’s installer is not up to the other distros standards. A freind of mine described it as “fragile”, and now I see what he means. OpenSUSE 11.1, looking at the same system, picks a disk layout exactly like I would have done manually.

 

Like Fedora going in eventually, MS Exchange MAPI support will be in Linux eventually. When it works, you’ll know it here! My guess is that OS.X will beat it by at least 6 months. I could be wrong. Knowing OS.X is getting ready to pass them might set a few coding fires.

 

One last thing on this point: I have said it before in other posts, but it bears repeating here. This is all about MAPI. If you have Exchange 2000 or 2003, you are good to go on Linux. You still have the WebDAV access mode that MS eliminated in Exchange 2007, so the “Evolution Connector” plug-in still works, and you still have everything. Email, calendars, contacts, task lists, out of office settings... the works.

 

MS Exchange 2010

 

As if to acknowledge that choice of desktop client has entered the workplace (or perhaps that eliminating WebDAV came off as a bit surly in the marketplace), one of the new features of MS Exchange 2010 is going to be fully enabling the web client so that, like Google Mail, full feature functionality is available to everyone, regardless of platform. One will not have to run IE to see advanced/more fully featured webmail functions.

 

MS’s Outlook Webmail will finally be Web 2.0-ish. Reportedly. I have not had a chance to try it yet...

 

If it does work as advertised: If I can use Firefox or Safari or Opera to access a fully featured Webmail, then that will probably go further to cementing MS Exchange’s market share in the data center than any of the exclusionary things that have proceeded it.

 

At the same time, the ability to have diversity on the desktop will go a long way to containing future computer worms and viruses

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Update on the new MAPI functionality coming soon to Evolution, with help from the OpenChange project

In my last post, I made a reference to queuing up and testing the new MAPI connector for Evolution under OpenSUSE 11.1. I have done that now.

First off, I added the repository to YAST using the information at the Evolution Wiki. The Repo file looks like this:

 

[GNOME_Evolution_mapi]
name=Evolution mapi plugin (openSUSE_11.1)
type=rpm-md
baseurl=http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/GNOME:/Evolution:/mapi/openSUSE_11.1/
gpgcheck=1
gpgkey=http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/GNOME:/Evolution:/mapi/openSUSE_11.1/repodata/repomd.xml.key
enabled=1

After adding the repo to YAST, updating the repositories, and then installing the MAPI bits, my system now had this on it:

steve@indiapaleale:~> rpm -qa | grep -i mapi

 

evolution-mapi-debuginfo-0.25.6-3.1
evolution-mapi-0.25.6-3.1
evolution-mapi-lang-0.25.6-3.1

steve@indiapaleale:~> rpm -qa | grep -i openchange

 

openchange-0.8-3.1

steve@indiapaleale:~> rpm -qa | grep -i samba4

 

samba4-4.0-19.1
libtdb1-samba4-1.1.3-14.1
libtalloc1-samba4-1.2.0-14.1
samba4-libs-4.0-14.1

The MAPI code was updated at the end of January, going from OpenChange .7 to .8, with all the related packages similarly revving.

 

MAPI-Clause is Coming to Town

 

The fact that MAPI has been added to Evolution so quickly is really very impressive. It is not an easy thing to do. Having the doc (as noted last time) certainly helps. That being said, this is called .8 for a reason. It is working against my MS Exchange 2007 server, but not without significant issues.

 

I want to stress right here and now that I am not testing this for prime time readiness, nor does the project make any claims that this is anything but Alpha level code. Use this at your own risk!! Really!!

 

I lost email with this. Really really. This is pre-GA.

 

I had tested .5, .6, and .7 of this MAPI code, and it never worked for me at all. I was testing it against MS Exchange 2003 though, so two factors changed: I moved to MS Exchange 2007, and Evolution MAPI .8 at the same time. Now it works. Sort of.

Here is what works:

  • I can send* and receive email.

(* sending works as long as the email address is fully qualified: Many things in the Inbox can not be replied to because they do not have valid email addresses)

Here is what kind of works:

  • I can see part of my calendar. I have not figured out the rhyme or reason to why Evolution can only see a small subset of my total calendar. Using today as an example, I can see one of seven meetings.

 

Flat does not work yet:

  • Expunge really does Expunge. Everything. Entire Inbox, whether or not a note has actually been deleted. It does ask if you really want to do it first though.
  • GAL: The Global Address List is still a work in progress. MAPI dropped the WebDAV / LDAP version of the code in favor of a protocol called NSPI (Name Service Provider Interface). It is not done yet, and not included in the current binaries.
  • No setting any rules / filters
  • No Exchange special stuff, like "Out of Office" autoreplies. Not even a screen to work with them yet.

 

Stability is not there either. I can walk away from the computer to go to lunch, and come back to find I have to restart all of the Evolution processes because it has hung. No messages. No tracebacks.

In related news, when I updated my Ubuntu 9.04 Alpha system this morning, it pulled down Evolution 2.25.90, so it looks like Evolution 2.26 is getting close. There is no MAPI available yet in the repository though, so it is still a race to see what goes first, 2.26, or MAPI support for 2.26.

I am encouraged. A version of this will ship with Gnome 2.26, and I assume that it will be revved very frequently after that for a while, but still: after all these years, MAPI / RFC support for MS Exchange is clearly headed to Linux. When it gets there, a *huge* wall to corporate Linux desktops will have fallen.

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We upgrade to MS Exchange 2007 before Linux get MAPI/RPCs for MS Exchange. Back to the drawing board.

I have, for years, with varying degrees of stability, been able to access my Exchange based Calendar and email from Linux via Novell (really, Ximian's) Evolution product. I have written about all that at length here.

 

No more. Welcome MS Exchange 2007. Goodbye WebDAV. Microsoft's grand experiment in email open standards is over, and where Exchange 2000 and Exchange 2003 were accessible via the WebDAV protocol, Exchange 2007 drops this.

 

I do not know why. It was not because it did not work.

 

WebDAV was part of how MS created Web access to the MS Exchange inbox, Contacts, and Calendars. E2007 replaces that with a heavy and light client. The heavy client only works with IE, and is all ActiveX stuff as near as I can tell. The 'light' client appears to be mostly an HTML effort, and works with Safari and Firefox, among others. The light client is noticeably faster than the old light client was, and is cleaner and brighter to look at. It reminds me more than anything else of the Yahoo webmail interface.

 

It is serviceable, and will have to do for now, because with WebDAV removed, all I can access from Evolution is the Inbox via IMAP. That is not insignificant either: IMAP is faster than the old MS Exchange connector was: Clearly a lighter protocol. I also have Win7 and Outlook 2007 if I need it.

 

It Could be Worse: MAPI / RPC *is* coming to Linux. Slowly.

 

MS kept their access protocols carefully undocumented, non-Open-Standard, and in fact kind of catch as catch can. Need a new feature? MAPI protocol was not envisioned for that? No big deal: Add a Remote Procedure call. In addition to the MAPI protocol itself, when Outlook and MS Exchange talk, there are apparently 150 or so RPCs involved.

 

There is nothing about any of this that would keep any host platform that can talk TCP/IP from talking to MS Exchange. Neither MAPI nor RPC's are the exclusive realm of MS Windows. What has kept it exclusive has been lack of documentation. If you wanted to implement an email client with Calendaring, Contacts, and Tasks that talked to MS Exchange the same way Outlook does you had to grab the wire conversations and figure out how they worked. What they were doing.

 

This can be done. It is tedious and time consuming, but the Samba project figured out SMB this way. It can be done. What WebDAV did for projects like KDE's Kontact and Gnomes Evolution is make it far easier to figure out things. The wire protocol was WebDAV. They could see the mailstore, the Contacts, and other objects on the Exchange server via WebDAV. They still had to figure out the interactions, but by being readable, it was far easier than trying to start at zero like one would have with MAPI and undocumented RPCs (And we are talking about the undocumented MAPI here, not the documented SMAPI from years ago)

 

Even as relatively easy as it might have been, Evolution was never all that stable (At least when using the Exchange Connector, and some point releases were better than others and depended also on the Distro in odd ways that I have documented here in the past), and KDE never called their MS Exchange / WebDAV effort anything but experimental, and my experience of it was that while you could read your calendar, you could never add events to it with Kontact.

 

The EU has changed all this. MS has been told that if they want to do business there they have to document things like MAPI and the RPC's they have kept so under wraps for all this time. They have. In fact, MS also worked with Novell to get Silverlight going on Linux (the so-called 'Moonlight' project) so people could watch the Obama Inauguration on the Internet with Linux.

 

Now both KDE and Gnome are working with OpenChange to get support for MS Exchange into their projects. The first MAPI / RPC support is set for Evolution 2.26, due in March with the rest of Gnome 2.26. It will apparently implement a subset of the RPC's required to get started at a basic level with MS Exchange server access. Some 80 or so of the 150 RPC's MS has documented. In support of this, OpenChange just release a new library of fixes and new feature function on January 20th, 2009.

 

I have an OpenSUSE 11.1 / Gnome 2.24 based system set up and ready to test the new libraries as soon as I get a spare moment from my regular day job. That link also has repos for Fedora 9, 10, and OpenSUSE 11.0. I am also tracking Ubuntu 9.04 since it should ship with Gnome 2.26.

KDE is farther behind on this that Gnome, but they never really had WebDAV working as well either. This article documents the KDE's current status. In related news, after the setback that was the KDE 4.0 release, it looks like KDE is starting to get their Mojo back in general. KDE 4.2 is supposed to be much better, and by the time the MAPI / RPC support is added they should be well on their way to being a fully viable desktop again. Not that they stopped being one, as long as you stayed in the 3.x tree. But 4.x should be back to having all the feature/function of the 3.x tree, with the new underlying architectural improvements in place. It was painful, but it looks like the environment is nearly back. Just in time for Gnome to have a spasm of architecture changes no doubt.

 

Aside: I have no problem really with what KDE did when they moved to the new 4.x series. I get that they had to make some underlying changes to position themselves for the future. I just think that 4.0 and 4.1 were still Beta's. I have not yet tried 4.2 to see what it looks like: I will as soon as I have a chance. If nothing else, I will be tracking how KDE adds in the MAPI / RPC functionality. I like having options. It is probably telling that KDE centric distros like PCLinuxOS have chosen to stay with the 3.x tree so far. The exact quote, in reference to their upcoming PCLinux 2009 release:

 

"We decided to use kde3-5-10 as our default desktop as the we could not achieve a similar functionality from kde4. We will however offer KDE4 as an alternative desktop environment available from the repo once we stabilize it."

 

Waiting Is....

 

Geek points! I got in a "Stranger in a Strange Land" reference! In this case, it is not martian patience, it is just that there is not choice. MAPI support is coming soon, but it is not here yet, and it is getting here far faster than it might otherwise have, since the various projects have access to the actual protocols this time around. It still will take some time. I fully expect that Evolution 2.26.0 will be followed by a series of point releases while all the bugs get worked out on this brand new feature set.

 

The funny thing about all this is that it probably still is only a short term thing before all the angst about these protocols fades from relevance. Cloud Computing, Google Gears,, SaaS, Linux based Netbooks, and all the current technology has us heading away these paradigms can not help but have an impact here.

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Mint 6 RC1

Posted by Alena Hitzemann Nov 17, 2008
Looking at the release candidate of Mint 6 to see how well it works as an enterprise desktop.

I recently wrote up a post on my personal blog about installing Mint 6 RC1 on my Acer Aspire One. This is a followup to that one, with the focus shifted from personal to professional use.

Evolution

I noted in a previous post that I had very good success with Ubuntu 8.10 and Evolution 2.24. Since Mint 6 is based off Ubuntu 8.10, I would expect that the results would be similar. There is room for doubt though, because as I noted in my personal blog, Mint 6 does act differently about a few things than Ubuntu 8.10. For sanity, I did a comparison between the packages I have installed on the Ubuntu 8.10 system and the new Mint 6 system. Here is Ubuntu 8.10:

 

ii  evolution                                   2.24.1-0ubuntu2
ii evolution-common                            2.24.1-0ubuntu2
ii evolution-data-server                       2.24.1-0ubuntu1
ii evolution-data-server-common                2.24.1-0ubuntu1
ii evolution-dbg                               2.24.1-0ubuntu2
ii evolution-exchange                          2.24.1-0ubuntu1
ii evolution-exchange-dbg                      2.24.1-0ubuntu1
ii evolution-plugins                           2.24.1-0ubuntu2
ii evolution-rss                               0.1.0-1ubuntu2
ii evolution-webcal                            2.24.0-0ubuntu1
rc libcamel1.2-13                              2.24.0-0ubuntu3
ii libcamel1.2-14                              2.24.1-0ubuntu1
ii libebackend1.2-0                            2.24.1-0ubuntu1
ii libebook1.2-9                               2.24.1-0ubuntu1
ii libecal1.2-7                                2.24.1-0ubuntu1
ii libedata-book1.2-2                          2.24.1-0ubuntu1
ii libedata-cal1.2-6                           2.24.1-0ubuntu1
ii libedataserver1.2-11                        2.24.1-0ubuntu1
ii libedataserverui1.2-8                       2.24.1-0ubuntu1
ii mail-notification-evolution                 5.4.dfsg.1-1build1
ii nautilus-sendto                             1.1.0-0ubuntu1

 

Here are the ones from Mint 6 RC1

 

ii  evolution                                 2.24.1-0ubuntu2
ii  evolution-common                          2.24.1-0ubuntu2
ii  evolution-data-server                     2.24.1-0ubuntu1
ii  evolution-data-server-common              2.24.1-0ubuntu1
ii  evolution-data-server-dbg                 2.24.1-0ubuntu1
ii  evolution-dbg                             2.24.1-0ubuntu2
ii  evolution-exchange                        2.24.1-0ubuntu1
ii  evolution-plugins                         2.24.1-0ubuntu2
ii  evolution-plugins-experimental            2.24.1-0ubuntu2
ii  evolution-webcal                          2.24.0-0ubuntu1
ii  libcamel1.2-14                            2.24.1-0ubuntu1
ii  libebackend1.2-0                          2.24.1-0ubuntu1
ii  libebook1.2-9                             2.24.1-0ubuntu1
ii  libecal1.2-7                              2.24.1-0ubuntu1
ii  libedata-book1.2-2                        2.24.1-0ubuntu1
ii  libedata-cal1.2-6                         2.24.1-0ubuntu1
ii  libedataserver1.2-11                      2.24.1-0ubuntu1
ii  libedataserverui1.2-8                     2.24.1-0ubuntu1
ii  libevolution3.0-cil                       0.17.5-0ubuntu1
ii  mail-notification-evolution               5.4.dfsg.1-1build1
ii  nautilus-sendto                           1.1.0-0ubuntu1
ii  openoffice.org-evolution                   1:2.4.1-11ubuntu2

 

Not that this makes a difference, but Ubuntu is installed on a Dell 745 desktop, and Mint 6 is on a Dell D620 laptop. Evolution is not an application that should care about such things though. The Mint and Ubuntu packages match in all their core parts: Mint does not change anything from Ubuntu so I expected that Mint will work just as well as Ubuntu in the office.

 

Mint does change one thing about Evolution, and that is that they do not install it by default. Thunderbird is the email client of choice for Mint. Hard to argue with, except I need Evolution and the exchange connector. Ubuntu 8.10 installs Evo, but not the "evolution-exchange" package. Either way, I have to tweak out the install with Synaptic or apt-get in order to have my MS Exchange 2003 resources available on my Linux desktop.

 

Evolution works exactly the same in both places. It has the same problems too, such as having trouble figuring out what the mail folder index should look like if I do a mass delete in one place. The other instance of Evolution often never sees the delete correctly, and loses track of what is in the INBOX folder. I wrote about this back in February, and nothing has changed. It is very annoying but not life threatening. I just delete the mail folder index, and everything re-syncs from MS Exchange. It would be nice if there was a resync button, or even better if it would detect that it lost sync and do it itself. Probably all of this is moot though, since focus appears to be on MAPI Exchange server access for 2.26 of Evolution.

 

I should note that in the comments section of my post about Ubuntu 8.10 there is a comment titled "Non-crashing evolution?  I don't believe it"                  

                  

Posted by hyrcan, the post says that they have not been able to get Evolution to work for them against MS Exchange 2003.
I have no explanation. I have done nothing special, installed nothing special, nor am I aware of our MS Exchange admins doing anything special to make it work better. There is a clear difference in success, but I have no idea why. I would be more than happy to try and work through a triage effort to see if we can figure that out though.


OpenOffice.org

 

Both Ubuntu 8.10 and Mint 6 RC1 ship OOo 2.4.1 with the the addition that they have the ability to read and write to Office 2007 formatted documents. This is because they reached ahead and grabbed the Go-oo patch set, so 2.4.1 from Ubuntu 8.10 and Mint 6 has one of the big new features of 3.0 included. I have not seen many office 2007 documents yet, but I am glad I can already deal with them

I was disappointed enough about 3.0 on Ubuntu that I went ahead and added a repository and added it. I did not do this on Mint though. 2.4.1 is more stable nad I am thinking about backing 3.0 off Ubuntu. The whole reason why they did not put 3.0 on Ubuntu is here:

 

http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/14433/

Developer comments
Unfortunately, since the final release of OpenOffice 3 was delayed, there was not enough testing time to include it by default in Intrepid.
OpenOffice 3.0.1, to be released on Dec. 2, is a bugfix only release and should prove to be much more stable than the current release. This release will be available on the backport repository.
More infos:
http://www.tectonic.co.za/?p=3447

 

Mint 6 appears to have followed the same path that Ubuntu chose, and stayed away from OOo 3 for now, even though they shipped enough after both the Ubuntu 8.10 and the OOo 3 releases that they could have included it if they had thought it wise.


Active Content

 

I have never really talked about things like flash and media player being things that an office desktop should or has to do. I'd be willing to bet that there are many IT departments that keep such things very locked down. On the other hand, in the Web 2.0, active content world we live in, being able to access active content or watch short movies (say, internal training programs or the like) is probably required. This was always one of the reasons I liked Mint so well. It made content a no-brainer. Flash was already installed. Many of the non-free non-Open Source stuff that so many Linux distros (like Fedora) steer clear of like the plague are installed and ready to go.

 

Turns out Ubuntu has made real strides there as well. As a test (and I hope the IT guys don't swoop in on me) I played the new Star Trek Trailer on both the Ubuntu and Mint machines. it worked on both, but it loaded faster on Mint. This is cool, because the ST trailer is in Quicktime format. I did not do anything special. It just worked.


Hardware Support

 

Ubuntu 8.10 works extremely well on the Dell 745 desktop, and Mint 6 works extremely well on the Dell D620 laptop. Each has their own challenges. The Dell desktop has an Nvidia graphics card and two monitors. the laptop is... well... a laptop. Wireless works out of the box and is the Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG. Intel and Atheros are my two favorite wireless vendors, because their stuff usually just works under Linux.

 

Both systems enabled Compiz by default and it works in both places without issue, even though the laptop has the relatively speaking graphics-challenged Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS. I say it is graphics challenged, but Compiz works without any issues at all, so I guess it is good enough!

Volume up/down buttons on the laptop are enabled by default, and that is always very nice to see. Those special laptop buttons are often orphaned.

Mint 6, even in its RC version, appears to just work at work.

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